Polymorph vs dom of movement 5e11/14/2023 ![]() So CR 1/8 – CR:4 = +2 Proficiency, CR: 5-6 = +3 ProficiencyĪt low levels certainly Moon Druid Wildshape is utterly terrifying.īeing able to turn into a CR 1 creature at level 2 is viewed as. Remember the proficiency modifier for monsters is based on CR, and is the same progression as players. So I read it as “you gain proficiency in perception if you don't have so already, but use your WIS modifier rather than the beasts, but use the beast's proficiency modifier.” Perception maybe the one problematic one as Druids probably have a higher WIS than the beast they turn into, but the beast may have proficiency with perception when the druid doesn't. ![]() I vaguely expected at least a few to have Acrobatics, but apparently not. in INT and WIS saving throws anyhow.Īnd a quick skim of the Beasts in the monster manual:ġ) No beast I can find has any saving throw proficiency.Ģ) Beasts only ever have athletics, stealth and perception skill proficiencies, and even then only the ape and giant ape have athletics proficiency. But not a huge issue since Druids get prof. The wording with skill and saving throw proficiencies is a bit odd. It's a bit confusing but essentially you get the entire stat block of the beast you turn into. I'm not sure if they've struck the right balance in the final set of rules or not. I actually dropped that character and switched to a Wizard instead. Sadly, the Druid was revised with the last playtest rules, and my cool character was nerfed. They had Wildshape abilities are low level that were just as effective as any other level appropriate power. In one of the early 5e Playtests, I finally got my wish. In prior editions, I never really tried this because I was frustrated by how long it took to actually get Wildshape abilities. I'd choose spells that are more utility focused. I've always loved the idea of playing a Druid that uses Wildshape as its primary tactic for combat. If you take on the form of a hydra, do you get 5 attacks? Can you take an undead form and get life drain ability? Do you get magical or psionic abilities? What counts as being a "creature"? Polymorph isn't as clear are prior editions were to explain what abilities you get from the assumed form. Of course, you can use the spell less often than you can use the Wildshape ability. He could be a Green Slaad (AC 16, HP 127, +7 to hit. The description for Polymorph says you get all of the assumed forms game stats, without mentioning the exception for INT, WIS, CHA, skill and Saves. If he used the Polymorph spell instead, he'd be able to choose any creature, not just a beast. Maybe Wildshape is actually better at low levels than it is at mid to high levels? Though his "normal form" stats would be lower, and so the wildshape is better by comparison. If he was circle of the Moon, but a lower level, he could still be a tiger (CR1). Not all that different from the Boar really. Say a tiger (AC 12, HP 37, +5 to hit, d10+3 damage). If he was Circle of The Land, he'd be limited to a CR 1 beast. Is there one with better AC? If it gets Multiple attacks, do you get them? Maybe there is a better 2 CR beast to choose. On the other hand that is a significant drop in AC. And his ability to damage the enemy has gone up some. ![]() 42 temporary hit points is a pretty good benefit. I'm trying to figure out if Wildshape is worth it. The first 2 points forces him to lose his boar form, and the excess 8 points are deducted from the HP he had before he changed form. The 42 HP he gets from his Giant Boar form are effectively "temporary hit points" as I read it.Īfter several rounds of combat in Boar form, he's down to 2 hit points, and he takes 10 points of damage. That gives him AC 12 (worse than his human form), +5 to-hit (same as human form), and 2d6+3 damage (better than normal). Per the rules, he gets all game stats from the Boar, except INT, WIS, CHA, skill bonuses, and saving throw bonuses. (Level 8, divided by 3, rounded down.) He chooses Giant Boar. Circle of the Moon allows him to do that, and it lets him assume the form a any "beast" up to 2 CR. In the second round, he uses a bonus action to take Wildshape. He takes 9 points of damage in the surprise round (Now he's at HP 36). His party is ambushed by a group of Orcs. With his Scimitar he does something like d6+2 damage. His to-hit bonus is around +5 (3 for proficiency, 2 for ability modifier. He has hide armor and a wooden shield, with a dex of 14. I want to see if I understand how Wildshape and Polymorph work in 5e.
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